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Archie Sonic / Re: The Archie Sonic reread topic
« Last post by LogiTeeka on August 20, 2017, 02:55:42 PM »
You're right, their origin does make sense - but they're still so dang weird. Even some of the stranger moments in the comics, like the out-of-nowhere invasion of the Xorda and the Ancient Watchers, pale in comparison to the "wtf"ery of Cal and Al.

What were the writers smoking to come up with that idea?

My guess is that they were probably bored and wanted to churn out some random ideas for potential recurring characters.

I'm guessing they were sorta popular with readers since they appeared in two subsequent stories following their debut (including a brief cameo in "Sonic Under Glass" in issue #16), followed by their long-awaited return in the "Scourge: Lockdown" arc.
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Archie Sonic / Re: The Archie Sonic reread topic
« Last post by GeoffreyStJohn on August 20, 2017, 02:45:03 PM »
You're right, their origin does make sense - but they're still so dang weird. Even some of the stranger moments in the comics, like the out-of-nowhere invasion of the Xorda and the Ancient Watchers, pale in comparison to the "wtf"ery of Cal and Al.

What were the writers smoking to come up with that idea?
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Archie Sonic / Re: The Archie Sonic reread topic
« Last post by LogiTeeka on August 20, 2017, 12:17:04 PM »
When I first encountered VertiCal and HorizontAl I was so extremely confused.

To be fair, they are natives to a weird pocket dimension which doesn't apply to normal physics. What makes sense for them looks nonsensical to any mortal onlookers.

I sorta had the same reaction when I first saw Mr. Mxyzptlk in "Superman: TAS" - he felt like a goofy character from "Animaniacs" inserted into a pseudo-realistic superhero world. But when they explained his origins, I sorta accepted it since it would make sense (theoretically).
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Sonic Fan Material / Re: A doofy short story featuring Fiona Fox!
« Last post by GeoffreyStJohn on August 20, 2017, 12:07:23 PM »
I think you captured the characters' personalities really well with the writing. Keep it up!
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Archie Sonic / Re: The Archie Sonic reread topic
« Last post by GeoffreyStJohn on August 20, 2017, 11:37:38 AM »
I only recently finished a complete re-read through the main series. I still haven't read any of SU yet.

Gotta say I agree with the general sentiment that the beginning books are pretty dire. It's got more of the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog tone going on, which is mildly amusing but man is it weird. When I first encountered VertiCal and HorizontAl I was so extremely confused.

Their re-appearance later on is probably one of funniest moments in the entire comic to me. Bringing back the most out-of-place characters in all of Archie Sonic but as villains is a stroke of insane genius.
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Sonic Fan Material / Re: A doofy short story featuring Fiona Fox!
« Last post by Rotalice2 on August 20, 2017, 10:20:11 AM »
Thanks for the insight there @LogiTeeka ! I appreciate it, I find it interesting, tho, the critique of Fiona and Sonic's models as they were made much more recently and I thought better than my Sally model (made all the way back in 2014) guess there is something to be said for a passionate first try vs. pre-made Parts. You are right about the lighting as well, I guess it's a combination of noise creating dark spots where they shouldn't be and the overall lighting of the scene. I'll have to find a solution for the next time I make a page like this. to your point about making improvements I plan on just outright re-making new models anyway so I'll keep these notes in mind when I do that.

Glad you found the writing enjoyable, I've been trying to improve there as well!
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Archie Sonic / Re: The Archie Sonic reread topic
« Last post by SBR on August 20, 2017, 08:57:23 AM »
You all are so dull. Mike Gallagher's stuff is...well it's not great but it's so delightfully insane I can't not love it.

The last issue I have read so far is 28. And as much people criticize Penders work in the series, the earliest ones he did honestly were a breath of fresh air from the ridiculous and silly tone.

Isn't that the storyline where Sally and Rotor detected something wrong with Sonic and the most logical decision they come up with is "DROWN HIM!"
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Sonic General / Re: IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog (2018)
« Last post by LogiTeeka on August 20, 2017, 05:22:50 AM »
So when it comes to IDW StH, there's bound to be a fair amount of issues laying down the groundwork - the new canon, the rules of said canon, and ultimately what we should expect to see in new stories.

Again, IDW has stated that the rumors of a hard reboot are only rumors at this point. We still don't know what exactly they have in mind yet.

The only thing that has been confirmed thus far is that it'll be an alternate direction, which is pretty vague in terms of description.
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Sonic General / Re: IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog (2018)
« Last post by GeoffreyStJohn on August 20, 2017, 04:45:25 AM »
I think the problem is less his character and more how his character is utilized in stories.

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I think the Freedom Fighters were winning too much.

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I think for people to actually care about Sonic or the other Freedom Fighters we have to see them struggle a bit, even if they are predestined to win.

My thoughts exactly. It's easy to fall into the trap of a formulaic story when you have a character as potentially godlike as Sonic/Super Sonic, and the 'struggle' before the climax can be cheapened by the knowledge that they're eventually going to win. To compare to a popular (albeit much more adult-oriented) show, The Walking Dead throws challenges in the path of the characters all the time to the point where it would become extremely boring if the characters always successfully overcame the challenges. However, often the challenges take their toll on the characters, sometimes resulting in beloved characters' deaths. This means that when the audience sees the characters come up against another challenge, there's always a sense of dread that things could go horribly wrong once again.

I'm not saying that Sonic needs to start killing off its side characters, of course. But when the stakes are raised, the audience can engage more. Knothole being destroyed pre-SGW was a brave moment, and sort of broke the rules of the book before that, which included that Knothole was the safe space for the Freedom Fighters (we can thank Penders for that rule). It was a welcome change of pace and a sign that we could see more rules being broken in the future, giving a sense of almost fearful anticipation to future volumes. As it happens, they did break the rules again by robotisizing Sally. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last time a major character got robotisized was Nate Morgan, right? And if you classify him as a side character, then it might even be Mecha Madness waaay back when.

So when it comes to IDW StH, there's bound to be a fair amount of issues laying down the groundwork - the new canon, the rules of said canon, and ultimately what we should expect to see in new stories. After this point, we could start to see boundaries being pushed, and this is where the comic will probably be at its most engaging.

...as long as it doesn't push boundaries in the way Penders did with love triangles and melodrama.
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Sonic General / Re: IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog (2018)
« Last post by Untitled on August 20, 2017, 03:19:14 AM »
I hope that, when the new comic gets underway, that they start slow. Whoever is writing doesn't introduce everyone right away and when they do bring more characters in, they give them proper arcs to flesh them out for readers who don't know Sonic. And for the long time fans who aren't familiar with the writer's idea of how the characters should be.
I know the mandates are in place, so they can't stray too much. But even Ian was able to make a lot of characters more interesting with those in place...well, anyone who wasn't in the main book.

When they finally get around to the Dragon Kingdom/Chun-Nan, I hope to see Press Garden Zone, Act 2 version.
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